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gmoli
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deluxe suspension problems can someone please help *DELETED*
      #605429 - 02/17/10 05:18 PM

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gmoli
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Re: deluxe suspension lift reviews [Re: gmoli]
      #605838 - 03/06/10 08:06 AM

ok well i had it installed and now i have a clunk noise that i can not pin point. This is exactly what i wanted to avoid. Does anyone have any ideas on what could be causing this? I had it professionally installed and all hardware was used. it sounds like the suspension hitting the stops but that is impossible it is in the middle of the travel when it does it on a road going straight?

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Re: deluxe suspension lift reviews [Re: gmoli]
      #605847 - 03/06/10 07:24 PM

Possible that one of the UCA mounting bolts is loose. The compression rod could be hitting the mount. Or it could be a loose swaybar link.

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Re: deluxe suspension lift reviews [Re: Mr Reverse]
      #605864 - 03/08/10 11:26 AM

I have spent a couple hours underneath my truck looking for any evidence of the problem, I am taking it in for a allignment, and hate to waste the money with the possibility of a problem that will require another one looming, but that could also cause problems. I have come to the conclusion that the toe may be off and causing my suspension to bind and tork my suspension, i noticed some strange tire wear on my brand new tires and hope this will help me to at least elimate the possiblility of the allignment being the problem. I have contacted AC and they requested photos of the installed parts. It is the middle of winter here and i have a foot of snow on the ground i dont relish the idea of pulling all the wheels to get these pictures for them. I will definatelly check out the uca bolts and sway bar as you suggested. Now that you mention it, the swaybar endlinks may need replaced. I will check and get back to you after allignment. Thank you so much for trying to help you are the first in 2 weeks to offer any suggestions. If it was summer time things would be so much easier for me. I am really disapointed because i had posted on this subject requesting information about this lift kit, hoping to avoid the exact situation that i find myself in (with no replies). I dont have unlimited money and the wife is kind of pissed that i spent 600+ dollars on a lift kit that ruined my truck and cost 300 to install. Now I really am grabbing at straws and hopping that I can find a solution soon.

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Re: deluxe suspension lift reviews [Re: gmoli]
      #605872 - 03/08/10 06:40 PM

Sorry, I was very tired when I posted. I have not had much experiance with the R51's and I am not sure what all is involved in the suspension lift. Did you put the lift on without having an alignment done after? Regardless of what kind of car or truck, when you modify the suspention, it will require an alignment after to prevent issues with tire wear, handling, and many other issues. I don't get very many Nissan trucks in the shop and even fewer alignments on them, so I am a bit out of the loop with your R51. Since they came out, I can only remember doing an alignment on 2 of them, and they were both stock.

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Re: deluxe suspension lift reviews [Re: Mr Reverse]
      #605910 - 03/10/10 02:07 PM

well here comes the very very sad update. i went to firestone on monday to get my alignment done. I have over 1000 in the suspension lift and install. i come back to pick up my vehicle and the tech says he cant move any adjustment bolt on the vehicle, and that i would need to replace all of my lower control arms six in total 4 lower arms in rear as well as the front two control arms. It seems that my bolts are all seized to the center sleeve on the bushings and they cant put a torch on them or they will melt bushings. I was in shock and decided to get a second opinion thinking that they were either lazy or kidding me somehow. i find the same result. Now my brand new 800 dollar set of tires will be torn to shreds. I have got them to order parts for rear to get it into range because it was much worse than front. they also adjusted the front toe into range so it will at least try to stay on the road. the only thing in the front that is out of wack is the caster and it is reading: left: 1.6 and right: 1.7, and the range is 2.3 to 3.3. they tell me not to worry about the front right now cause i am showing a total toe in the rear of -1.18, and the range on that is -0.11 to 0.41 and it is all over the road. I am in shock. it will cost 650 to get the rear into spec, and the front i am not sure what the damage will be on that. nissan should be ashamed that a 2006 vehicle would need all of the control arms changed just to get an alignment. it will be well over 1000 just to get working adjusters under a near 40000 dollar vehicle. I am beside myself. did i mention my wife is 6 months pregnant? the hell i am taking for this is unbeliveable, and it isnt my fault, how could nissan be so careless all they had to do was lube or antiseize these. They dont even offer a bushing you have to buy the whole control arm. before you tell me i am aware that they sell them on this site, but thier price is more than a set of new control arms, and i would have to pay labor to have them pressed in. i wont just because 4x4parts is asking a rediculous amount for them. I will be taking my old parts and trying to size up bushings to sell on the internet, i should put a complete set together and sell them and probably get rich in the process. if they get 200 for a set of 4 imagine what i could get for 10 at least 500, does that sound fair to u? you want to buy a r51?

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Re: deluxe suspension lift reviews [Re: gmoli]
      #605911 - 03/10/10 02:21 PM

mr reverse what do you think about the front caster readings it sounds like you know your way around a alignment machine? I forgot to answer your questions. no i didnt get it aligned right away cause i picked my truck up from shop at 6 pm on friday and couldnt get an apointment before 3 pm on monday. it is hell driving it like this. this lift included two front rancho qucklift shocks with longer shock bodies to increase spring preload. the rear was two springs and two rancho shocks. it sounded easy enough in the begining, but man oh man am i sorry now. let this be a warning to all people interested in this kit. i am not saying that it wont work, but i strongly suggest that if you are considering this project you take your vehicle into shop and have all of your cam bolts checked to make sure they will move. and you will need to add some camber adusters to front control arms at least i had to on my 2006 pathfinder se 4x4. i will consider that a public service cause it cost me dearly. you better listen anyone who reads this one. Do you think i could count this as a donation on my taxes this year? lol

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Re: deluxe suspension lift reviews [Re: gmoli]
      #605925 - 03/10/10 08:59 PM

Yes, I spend time around the alignment rack. I am an ASE certified Master Tech in the automotive field and that is what I spend 50+ hours per week doing, Turning wrenches and getting called a crook by people that neglect their cars and want me to fix them for free. Just for the record, I have been employed by Firestone for the last 4.5 years too.

The frozen adjuster bolts and cams in your rear suspension is not a Nissan only problem. I deal with the same issues on just about every make out there. Toyotas, Hondas, and Subarus actually are worse for it if it makes you feel any better. I often have to use a torch to heat and break loose adjuster nuts on them, expecially the toe adjusters on the front and rear tierods.

Sorry to hear yours is so bad, but the first R51 I aligned burned through a brand new pair of rear tires in less than 800 miles because of a bad alignment. I could not believe the adjustment range in both camber and toe that the rear suspention offered. I am used to haveing only about 1/2 to 1 degree of adjustment to work with in rear suspentins but the R51 gives me about 3 or 4. That is a huge amount in my world. Sometimes, you can apply liberal amounts of penetrating oil to the frozen adjusters and hit them with a hammer. Do that for a few days and you can sometimes get them to break loose. With your rear camber and toe so far out, it will be very hard to drive and control. With your front end, don't worry too much about the low caster numbers, they are actually pretty good for a lifted truck. You are still positive with it and the right is just slightly higher which is actually desireable with a left hand drive. When I do alignments, I tend to try and get the right caster(when I can adjust it) to be about 1/2 degree higher than the left. That will cause a slight drift to the left on a level surface. That helps cancel out the drift to the right that the road crown creates with the slope of the road being lower on the edges than the center. Low caster reading won't cause tire wear so it won't hurt anything with the front. The rear toe and camber is a serious concern because small angles in the rear has a huge effect on the car overall. I wish you luck, and hope that things get worked out. I know money is tight, I am a single father with 2 teenaged kids, my daughter lives with me and my son is living with his aunt and uncle. Their mother is on husband #4 right now. I am nursing along a 19 year old Pathy with a 25 year old 300ZX sitting dead in the driveway because I cannot afford to get rid of the car and find something else to replace it with. If I can ever get the thing back to running right and cleaned up, I am hoping I can find somebody to buy it so I can get a car that is at least a little younger than my kids. With the economy shot to hell like this, my income just does not leave me with anything more than my minimum payments on my bills.

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Re: deluxe suspension lift reviews [Re: gmoli]
      #609119 - 10/25/10 07:16 AM

Any update on this? Did you get it all figured out?

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Re: deluxe suspension lift reviews [Re: BluePath33]
      #612555 - 08/14/11 10:46 PM

well to offer my experience to others i will give the final tale. I ended up replacing all four lower rear control arms to get my alignment in spec for the rear of the pathy after the lift install. this was due to seized lower control arm bushings not allowing the vehicle to be aligned. after the 750 dollar repair i was notified that the rear toe adjustment and camber were not correctable. three alignments later and a set of 800 dollar tires, i purchased the rancho quick lift spacers for the rear and put stock springs back in. the alignment was put in spec on the first try. now about the noises, i still have several noised that i am trying to chase down, and have not has much luck. I have replaced the front sway bar bushings ( which really helped to tighten up front a little but did nothing for the noises i have been hearing), tightened up all body mounts, the front most passenger side seemed to be 4 turns loose, again this helped a little, but did nothing for the noise. I have been able to narrow it down to only when the suspension shifts weight from one side to another, and the wheel drops i get this noise, like taking a sharp right hand turn into a drive way. I have replaced all brake rotors, and pads, sprayed every bushing i can find. I am in the process of replacing my strut mounts to see if this is the source of my problem, but my mechanic that did the install didn't say anything about them being worn. if this don't help i will do front sway bar links next, and if that don't help lower control arms. I do not see any sign of the problem. replaced u joints on front and rear driveshaft, new stainless steel gibson exhaust and nothing hits from this either. really getting tired of this, and hope the strut mounts help me out, i have noticed a very tight steering wheel lately, and this is a sign of bad strut mount bearings, i hope this will finally be the solution. If i ever get this figured out i will tell you asap.

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